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. ackman. >> they also hired shiller, the law firm. not clear why they would hire a law firm at this point. no reason given. they have hired them, which is another, hmm, wonder what they're up to kind of move. bob pisani is on the floor with what's moving today. >> we're up 24 points in the dow. and a lot of people think a grand bargain is impossible at this point. but president obama coming back from vacation in hawaii. that's an indication that some kind of deal -- however small -- is definitely coming. i want to point out, and i know you've been negative on this mastercard data on retail sales, and everybody thinks it's going to be a mess for the holiday season. i want to point out that the stocks are not acting that way. that this is a disaster for the season. the s&p retail index hit an historic high on december 3rd. historic high. since then, it has only been down about 3%. these stocks are not acting like there's a disaster. i can give you several reasons why they're not down so far. number one, we are going to see eps growth in the fourth quarter from some of them because of the ex
for the issues that are bought once the law gets changed? >> nobody knows for sure. that brings up a very important point, which is historically, the treasury department has never imposed taxes on anything retroactively. so this would be a very bad precedent if they decide to apply this to existing bonds that are currently outstanding. what they ought to do is apply this, if they're going to do it, on a foregoing basis, the bonds issued after january 1st, 2013, for example. >> we're showing the picture of the mub, the etf that tracks the municipal bond market. we've seen it decline since the beginning of roughly december. i think a lot of people are concerned about this. but your point is, that perhaps if you buy this year, the treasury would not put taxes on those holdings, correct? which could be a good time to buy muni bonds. >> you're playing a gamble on whether or not the treasury is going to protect you for this year or not. personally, i'm a little bit more worried about the fact that the taxes could apply retroactively. just because of the nature of the way this would work. what's
existing laws. they're not enforced. but did you see this gallup, a new record for people that oppose handgun bans. 74%. it's never been that high. 24% -- more people apparently would ban piers morgan from ever appearing on tv again than would ban handguns. that's much higher consensus on that. which i think -- which would be good for everybody, i think. >> look, there are a lot of cross currents here, joe. you're right. i mean i think there's very strong sentiment that something big has to change. >> background checks, you know what? you definitely got to -- you should do that. >> gun show loopholes >> there's some simple things. but actually questioning the second amendment, that's counterproductive. i'm telling you. for people that do that. it's counter productive. anyway -- >> very special thanks to eamon and to jared. happy holidays if we don't see you before the new year. but i think given this conversation we might be talking cliff even on monday. >> thanks. >> coming up, businesses bracing for the fiscal cliff. we'll ask chairman and ceo thomas fanning if the deal is possible
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